But you can't blow out a fire. Once the flames begin to catch, the wind will blow it higher." - Peter Gabriel. I posted this because I am concerned about the tone of things in America today (and, I guess, I'm trolling). The whole Tea Party and the Guardians of the Free Republics thing lately has me wondering. I've known since 6th grade (and believe me, that was a LOOONG time ago) that this country would go down like Rome during my lifetime. I am just wondering if its starting to turn that last corner. I mean, these teabaggers... uh, tea partyers are pissed about health care reform?!? I don't know what kind of insurance these angry, overfed people have but MY insurance sucks a ball of hairy ass. Literally. Claims are unpleasant. And, as for telling the governors to quit or you'll "force them out": are these Guardians (for what they asked for, they better be the little blue guys from the Green Lantern comics) ready to be followed around until the FBI darts them and sticks a radio tag in their ear like re-introduced Mexican Grey Wolves?
Look, I know things suck but this is NOT gonna do any good. Threats veiled or loud will only drum up sympathy for a system of governance that is, frankly, crap. We don't need a continuance of that. What we need is to vote Congress (all of it) out of office and put people in who will agree to term limits for legislators. We need to try, TRY, to go back to this thing we've been using for toilet paper called the Bill of Rights and start observing them again (no, I'm not attacking one side or the other... Bush trashed Amendment 1, Obama is tearing up Amendment 10...are these guys headed for 5 in successive terms?). We need to stop "spreading freedom" whether a country wants it or not and get our National Guard, at least, home so the next time a major natural disaster tears up an American city (forget little island nation capitals PARKED on major fault lines) we can, at least, PASS OUT SOME FREAKIN' WATER! We need to stop wasting so much of our money on branches of our government that do NOTHING (e.g. Office Of Fatherland...uh, HOMELAND Insecurity) but employ people who would be happier if (some of whom WE would be happier if) they found another job. We don't need to take over companies with our damn tax dollars, true. But we also should have the rights to tell the mighty heads of corporations that produce poison or instruments of torture "Look, you're a douche. Stop it or you won't have a job.". We (and by "we" I mean the old folks that LIVED through it) have GOT to stop glorifying the fucking 50's/60's/70's'/80's. Sorry, but race seperate bathrooms (Pooter: for just a minute, pretend you already commented on this in a way that offended everyone, we marked it down and it disappeared. If you want to argue, let's do that. I just don't want to about which race is better; not here. Love ya, pal!), no rights for women, no rape shield law, illegal wars (oops, really didn't get rid of THAT, did we), government corruption even in the Oval Office (ditto), vapid, empty music (I'm not doing so well at this list, am I?) and the threat of impending nuclear war are things I just don't miss. Finally, can we please STOP ending all arguments with violence or the threat of it. Yeah, I know we live in the only country that mentions rockets and bombs in its national anthem but try, for just a little minute, to pretend that you KNOW something about civil law. Argue it out, get pissed about it and even shout down people when they put something out that everyone just hates. But, at the end of it, holster your shootin' iron, Tex and try this little mantra: "What an asshole; oh well, I don't sleep with him/her".
On that last note, I will not mark down or delete any comment to this no matter how much it offends my delicate sensibilities because I just want to see if this will go anywhere and I want an opinion that will piss me off (Yes, Pooter: I read my comment above. What if I promise to have that other argument later?). Maybe I need the practice being argued with without it leading to rancor later. It will help me at work.
If anyone is concerned about where their taxpayer dollars are going, do not criticize health care reform, or socialist concepts that are intended to help the citizens of this country out. Criticize those that allot funds to Lockheed and Martin, Boeing, General Dynamics, and the other companies which suckle billions upon billions of YOUR dollars, MY dollars, to create machines of death that no longer are even under the fleshly control of a human being. Each one of us is the tour guide of our own life, but in this tour, we are not given the choice as to what Country we belong to. As the controllers of our nation that we have all been unwilling born a part of, the government DOES have the responsibility to provide Free and Quality health care to all citizens, without question. All other first world countries in the world do this for their citizens. But the cost of one U.S. Air Force General Atomics MQ-9 Reaper drone bomber is 10.5 million dollars. This is why I cannot go to the hospital, why if I did, I would be broke.
This is what happens with democracy. It empowers the poor... and the uneducated. Its not necessarily a good thing. My major problem with Health Care reform's goal to bring us up to that "New 1st World Standard" is the simple lack of an acknowledgement of the fact that people don't DESERVE IT. If that Bill was already completely in affect, for example, Agent Orange would have Health Care till he's 26, employed, or not. He would be out of school for eight years, without a job, and still be covered by my tax dollars. AO, you know I love you dude, but you don't deserve that. Health Care is about the betterment of a nation or its people, its about humanitarianism. I don't give money to bums (not calling AO a bum, switiching gears here) who look like they put themselves in their position, equally I think people have a certain sense of responsibility to their own well-being that comes with self-soverignty that I support. The two are mutual.
I do deserve that, and so does everyone else ever. It's not like some benefit. It's the fucking physical well-being of people. I don't know shit about any of this health care bill crap, because it annoys me and I ignore it. What I do know is that keeping it's citizens alive and functioning well is a good idea for any government. Paying for your medical expenses out of pocket is not possible. People are forced to get insurance, which then refuses to pay if it can get away with it, because it is a business trying to make money instead of a service trying to keep people in good health.
You won't give money to bums, cool, fine, w/e (I do when I can, smoke them out a lot) but would you give one a bandage if you saw him bleeding? Because that's a lot closer to this than money is.
people can afford health care... thats the thing. By having medical insurance you simply pay MORE than your medical bills over a long period of time, so that when you do get sick the insurance pays your bills but has made a profit in the meantime. Unless you get seriously fucked up, insurance companies profit. We all pay more than we should for our medical treatment (as a community). Thats why insurance companies exist.
Taken in political context, as everything is, this is just another partisan blame screed. Each side agrees that everything's fucked up and we need to work together to fix it, but of course it's the other side's fault, originally. Everyone loves the Bill of Rights until they realize the Bill of Rights protects the country from their agendas. That's why the constitution is fucking dead, because nobody wants it. The Constitution protects private entities from annexation and legalistic domination by the federal government. It also maybe protects individuals from the Patriot Act. But hey, it didn't do either of those things, because of the neutralizing tension between people who believe one but not the other, that effaced any trace of objectivity.
Now it's just a game of aggressive bitching, and every time we rant, any of us, with the least bit of self-righteousness, we submit our will to our ego, embarass ourselves, and thicken the morass.
The Tea Party people don't oppose health care because they hate you. They oppose health care, the bill, because it's a fucking stupid thing to do.
Until everyone shuts the fuck up, delusions born of pathetic fanaticism will drown what was once called progress.
"The Tea Party people don't oppose health care because they hate you. They oppose health care, the bill, because it's a fucking stupid thing to do"
Precisely Pooter, opposing health care reform is "a fucking stupid thing to do."
Hahaha low blow I know. The thing that irks me about the Tea Party is how they hijacked the name (and thus the patriotic, historical implications of it) for their own cause.
Drunk, angry colonists dumping tea into Boston waters > Butthurt Palinphiles. LAWLAWLAWLAWLAWL
I don't... understand... why... you think it matters. You been watching CNN and laughing because the Tea Party people they show are fat, and forming your political biases based on that? The original Boston Tea Party hijacked the patriotic implications of drinking tea and perverted it into a sick glorification of destruction of property.
Also misreading my grammar != zinger.
Also, Sarah Palin just lost an informal republican primary poll, by a decent margin. She's just someone all you self-righteous armchair people love to hate, and build generalizations from, so you can dismiss anything you want on a personal basis.
Who gives a shit? Plus, they also face libel and abuse from the entire country. And they're doing it because they think it will avert some worse punishment... like losing all their jobs because Obama spent the GDP on free shit for lower income brackets. Oh wait, too late.
It's just all hokey rally-ism to me. Libtards are just as guilty. I just wish our political system would stop with the team colors and overly partisan bologna that's gumming up THE WHEELS OF PROGRESS.
Reason they don't is, first one to offer compromise gets raped and overrun. Happened to the Republicans after liberals started mewling for 'non-partisan cooperation'.
We're stuck decades in the past because that's when life was- or seemed, brighter for most of the country. We're stuck decades in the past because that's when life was- or seemed, brighter for most of the country.We have no rights because the majority of our population has been conditioned to have no free will and simply do what is convenient or comfortable instead of doing what is right. No authority figure has any power or right to govern unless you give it to them, but we have given up our rights because we're coerced into following with threats of nuclear war, disease, terrorist attacks and the like. I agree that something needs to be done, but the obese, uneducated, disgusting, selfish residents of this fine nation are too preoccupied with the season finale of American Idol and who fucks who to do anything. If we all refuse to take action, we deserve whatever happens to us.
I have faith in humanity, despite our observable faults we will survive. All contrary, doom-mongering arguments are null and void until conclusively proven otherwise.
That makes no sense. Why would they be null and void? Not saying I believe in them. I'm just saying you said "despite our observable faults we will survive" There is no conclusive evidence for that either.
What he's saying is until our civilization collapses we have no scientific proof it will even happen therefore they don't matter until it actually happens.
Are we talking about humanity the species, or civilizations? Because a whole lot of those have fallen, and a whole lot are going to. But yeah, I don't really see the race wiping itself out either.
Because you've never considered an extinction level event? There are LOTS of unregistered rocks floating around out there. Any one of them would wipe us out. But when I wrote what I wrote, I was speaking about an end to American way of life as it exists now.
Rome, Greece, United Kingdom, Spain, Mayans, Aztecs, Japan, Mongols, Turkey, Germany, I'm leaving some out, but yeah those are all doom-mongering arguments that should never be considered Null or Void as members of a vast and powerful empire.
True, I did misplace the subject of the comment. But Our empire of today is so massive and all encompassing of the entire Earth in a way incomparable to any civilization to date, that my point still remains. If we fall now, on top of all things, you really see no viability of mass extinction/end of humanity as we know it? All it takes is one nuclear explosion.
Its a possibility, yes. Perhaps more likely than others, but the fact remains that anyone saying the human race is doomed to kill itself off is just blindly shooting in the dark. So far as we know, it hasn't happened before so how can we claim we're headed for it without precedent?
Well there are theories that a really advanced civilization lived in Atlantis and wiped itself out or dispersed for whatever reason. haha I don't know.
human interaction, on any scale from friendship to the U.N., is imperfect, unfair, and damaging. the government sized sort is worse because it is inescapable and enforced.
Actually not my Mantra just a lyric from a song and I wanted to try out quotes in the title to see if the bug was fixed. Notice how little it had to do with the rant. As for the rest, I agree, to a point.
Human interaction is imperfect, unfair, and damaging? Governments, of course, are vile, but they are groups of people, rather than individuals. Interaction on a close, personal level, is the most perfect thing there is. There is no happiness or purpose to be found in solitude.
I'm aware that this is usually the thing the naive teenager (I don't have the word teen in my age anymore though) would say, but I've seriously stopped even focusing on politics completely. I used to actually love sparking or entering political debates (being the nihilist in the bunch always brings out very fun arguments), and was essentially forced into following the elections because of government class, and oh... the fact that the entire internet and television was completely over it 100% all the time, bleh! I got so tired of it, I stopped caring to follow all the bull shit and started realizing just how big of a waste of time it was for someone like me to even care about it. I will hold no political power, and I don't care about the human race enough to waste my time bettering or watching any government. I don't believe in anarchy, but I haven't seen a working government yet.
Human minds are too far apart to ever see eye-to-eye (what?), and in every political situation you're going to have to deal with a lot of crap from everyone involved, every time, and it's overall just a waste of time because.. well, I haven't really noticed anything the government has done effecting my life as an individual. Yes, it's selfish, but I really don't care. If I have to be the one living my life, then I'm going to just do it, and not waste any more time seeing what everyone else is doing.. Or in terms of government, see what everyone else is doing to try to change everyone else's life...
This is a kind of Zen genius. Individualism programs collective prosperity. This was once what people meant when they referred to 'capitalism'. Now it's just kids mewling about greed and selfishness as they steal from Walmart to sell the goods for weed and yeyo.
I think the real question is what are we going to do when we collapse, I mean people are too bigoted to even believe that cutting down the amount of nuclear arms we have can be a good idea. We got people who are so set against human nature and trying to force their utopia in their eyes where we live on the sunshine and unicorn farts in the universe. There are ways to fix the problems our country has but no one is willing to listen to anything but their own logic or anyone similar to their own that by the time people agree to listen and fix it it will be too weak. Strong constitutionalists who have a great amount of pull refuse to let us do anything, radical progressives refuse to settle for any idea but their own which is to far ahead of it's time for the common man to accept.
So the real question is what do we do when we fall, merge with Canada? Die out because we brought nuclear war on ourselves? Our solution right now shouldn't be how we save what we already have, but how do we go about making the next and to prevent the mistakes of the past.
Civiliations don't notice the transitions that historians call collapse normally. The only example I could think of is the population fall of the Aztec's under the spanish. 'Sides that historical "collapses" are too slow to be noticed in a lifetime. Its a big word you're throwing around there, what does it include?
I was directly addressing the question, coyote asks how do we fix our nation from collapsing. I say we can't and should just work towards the second thing not being as big of a piece of shit as the first.
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