So over the last few days we have all heard of the ides of Arizona deciding to make stricter immigration laws for their state in order to combat Mexican drug lords smuggling shit into the US. At first I was for this as I thought hey they are trying to keep crime rates low and immigration without papers is illegal.
But then I thought about something underlying in our culture. Humans were originally very nomadic people who took advantage of terrain and moved to where we could adapt to the best at the time. Yet we say in this modern century basically that moving around is illegal, that it's not ok for those who want to get out of what is a bad situation for them. Then I thought of the issues of borders themselves, originally a countries borders just indicated where one could enforce their countries laws. Yet these days it's turned into an ideal of a barrier to keep ones people stagnant in their country. Who are we to say as a majority where one lives and dies, why are people in charge of where one stays or goes over the choice of the individual. Hell now these days if we even want to get out of Alaska by land we need a pass that says we can drive through a country, can we not just go through and do our business? Apparently not, apparently a government gets to control peoples choices more then the individual themselves.
Why do we even have borders in the first place, why do we persecute those that follow human nature and move around, and why do we even let a group of people have more impact on our individual choices then ourselves? These are the questions I ask myself more and more these days.
It's estimated that illegals are 10% of Arizona's population. I don't need to tell you how the economy is right now. All of those people have to be fed. They all work-- hard, for long hours, for minimal pay.
They did take their jobs. Jobs that at full wage could be supporting American families.
So, according to you you have to be a redneck to want to work legally to support yourself and your family. To object when illegal immigrants do two jobs that you could be doing, so you can't heat your house.
If it's the rednecks screaming "they took our jobs" and smart people like you advocating an open border between the US and Mexico, the rednecks are actually a lot smarter than you are.
But we all already knew that. Everyone is smarter than you.
Retarded people have more common sense than you do, as you here prove.
Dogs have a sounder sense of survival than you do, as you here prove.
You don't even understand that people have to work to earn money to eat.
I hereby revoke your humanity. But considering how amoebically dim you are in the first place, it's entirely an empty gesture.
You are now once again on a TCN level. Yes, they did take jobs. Not steal them. Willing to do the same thing for less money? You're the big "capitalism is great!" dude, how do you not just love this?
You really hate these people because they are willing to work harder, longer, and cheaper to support *their* families?
Yeah, I do, because when they do it, Americans lose out. And in order to have any kind of feasible lifestyle we need to put our population first.
Under the plan jointly proposed by That One Creepy Guy and yourself, we would all work super hard for shit wages. The point of America is we can hang out here and be comfortable. The point is not to give the wealth away to people in other countries who need it.
Capitalism is maximizing our own wealth and happiness. When you don't agree with that anymore, give your personal wealth to a starving Mexican guy. It's the same thing.
Otherwise, keep the illegal Mexicans out so we can prosper. Aren't you the big "financial security for everyone" guy? Well, we can either have it for nobody or we can have it just for Americans for now.
Protecting your economy is not unreasonable.
I agree that separating people with such extreme different beliefs and customs does often propel violence and will and has stalled progress towards progressive global action. However that is also how we all remain unique. But A world with intact culture and a more peaceful society is possible I think... Likely? Who knows, but possible.
As far as the Mexican drug Cartel goes, the demand needs to be reduced drastically! Methamphetamine is a vile substance and provides a large amount of some Mexican Drug Cartel's, as well as the Hells Angel's income. I myself am opposed to synthesized drugs of any kind. As far as Marijuana is concerned, do your best to use from localized growers who do not participate in violence.
I agree that freedom of movement is very important, and governments all over the the world restrict it, to varying extents. Still, for all that's negative about the nation-state, borders are pretty useful.
I'd say with the drug dealers, there are a few ways to target the problem: demand, supply, and the dealers themselves. (All have been tried; they're still targeted in different ways, and each has its own problems.) The factor I think needs to be paid more attention is Mexico itself: If we helped our neighbor to have a legitimate, thriving economy that will give opportunity and stability to common Mexicans, drug cartels couldn't run rampant like they do.
While that's a happy and fluffy idea of those addicts, what about the crack heads that stab people to take their wallets to get more crack or the people jacked up on PCP that go insane and start killing people. Sounds like it's a great thing for people to be using, right?
Are you retarded? Stabbing people is illegal. Stealing is illegal. Legalizing drug intake doesn't make that shit legal. You don't the half of it. So when it comes to drugs shut your fucking mouth unless you know what you're talking about.
While I don't agree with the logic I can see where tocg is coming from. A lot of crack heads don't have jobs and are perpetually poor. There is a stereotype of these inner city crack addicts that kill their dealers to get a hand on the supply, or kill/mug random civilians for the money to get it. Now where I disagree is if these jobless bums stick around they will still be mugging and stealing for money because they probably still wouldn't have a job. Or if that's the case they would just steal for something else.
If crack were legal, there would obviously be no crack killings.
If PCP were legal, it would be a chemical variant of it that doesn't cause violent psychosis. So people wouldn't use PCP like they do, because they can't get anything else.
Great examples, man. Crack and PCP. What about marijuana? What about mushrooms? LSD? MDMA? If you did even one of those drugs, you could be enlightened to some theoretical level at which you might transcend the retarded screaming you do relative to these issues.
As Ani said, please do not express yourself on these matters. It makes us want to spear you in the eye with an atlatl. http://www.athensohio.com/upload_files/images/Atlatl.jpg
What you're are saying is that you want to legalize all drugs, so then what would happen? You would finally be able to fry your brain without that nasty government getting in the way? Then when your organs start to fail, you can run into a hospital and beg for a new one when someone that actually deserves it doesn't get it?
The laws on most drugs are there for good reasons, pot is outlawed because of rich guys that didn't want to loose any money so they made smear campaign against, that is a stupid reason. I personally don't really see any reason as to why it should be illegal.
But when it comes to things like meth, LSD, hallucinogens, basically anything chemical, there tend to be good reasons for why they are illegal.
Most man made drugs destroy you organs, this burdens the medical field with dumbshits that want to be fixed so they can keep getting high.
LSD, as you yourself have talked about, gives you flash backs. What if someone were to have a flashback while operating heavy machinery or driving? From personal experience, being picked up while hitch hiking and the driver having a flashback, it's not a good thing.
You want to legalize it all, making it even easier for people to get into it and easier for these situations to occur. That's a grand idea. Your argument, "It's my body so I'll do what I want with it." Is only valid if you are not around other people, what happens when your lungs or kidney's go out or you have a flashback while you're driving and plow through a group of people, then what? You become a burden on society because you were being a bad ass stick it to the man rebel.
And too Pooter, I know what an atlatl and I doubt that those chicken arms of yours could handle one.
Actually for your information I don't do any of those drugs anymore with good reason. And if they were legalized, but certain restrictions (for obvious reasons) were implemented then ya I think they should do it. You have no clue how helpful psychedelics can actually be. They're doing alot of research on using them in psychiatry actually. And if they were legal I think the production of them would be way altered and less fucking rushed and amateur.
I don't think anyone has a right to take freedom from someone. Especially the freedom to do what they want with their own body. Obviously for the safety of others certain restrictions should apply. But that doesn't mean someone should be able to tell you "no, you can't use that to induce euphoria because it hurts you."
I am well aware that you are not doing those drugs anymore and I am also aware of the research that is being done with some of them.
To legalize and further develop many of the drugs currently out there has a very high possibility for even more abuse. Meth and LSD were both created for pharmaceutical uses and now their just designer street drugs. All that is takes is one person that worked on the further development to sell the information and we end up back in the same, if not a worse, situation.
The problem with the drugs that create euphoric sensation is that it feeling only lasts temporarily and the body will inevitably build up a tolerance to it so the person using will have to keep upping the dose to get that feeling back. That's where the damage comes in. It's the same with people that drink, many people that are alcoholics drink to try to block out there problems and to avoid dealing with reality and it eventually destroys their liver.
If there was a drug that made people happy and sane with the need to up the dose and didn't leave them useless to society, I would be all for it, but there isn't and I don't foresee anything like it in the near or even distant future.
I completely understand where you're coming from. But when I say legalize, I don't mean just up and say sell ecstasy at your friendly local walmart.
I mean what if therapist used MDMA on a patient every couple of months for one session? That could be a giant help for that patient. It's not just euphoria, that's just a bonus haha. For instance MDMA makes you feel empathy for alot of things, and makes you feel a hell of a lot more social.
"If there was a drug that made people happy and sane with the need to up the dose and didn't leave them useless to society, I would be all for it, but there isn't and I don't foresee anything like it in the near or even distant future."
No one completely sane can be happy. If you are completely happy, you are either stupid or delusional. http://bit.ly/rnVt6
Properly timed and administrated doses of many drugs avoid tolerance effects and minimize physical harm.
And, no matter what my condition, I can promise you that I will never willingly become a useful part of society. Though I will without a doubt be used anyways, as even resisting is a part of it.
If you could make this about specific substances instead of some all-encompassing concept of "drugs" that you have so I could use more direct facts and actually prove you wrong, that'd be sick. Putting every psychoactive substance in one huge category really doesn't work.
so you started out framing the issue rather strangely as one of the drug war and then progressed to rants and musings about borders and peoples natural right to migration, all the while never mentioning what makes the newly enacted Arizona law so controversial; namely that it legalizes racial profiling. An issue that should be of the gravest concern to anyone who cares about freedom and justice be they an anarchist or not.
No but it's the idea that one specific sub group traveled a bit further then normal while some stayed in the same area. Then people inched and inched along until we covered 6 of the 7 continents.
You're obviously not getting the point of this article. The question is why is it illegal in the first place and why do other people get to tell us where we can and cannot go.
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